WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:14.240 This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3981 from Monday 6th of November 2023. 00:14.240 --> 00:20.600 Today's show is entitled, HPR Community News for October 2023. 00:20.600 --> 00:24.440 It is part of the series HPR Community News. 00:24.440 --> 00:30.080 It is hosted by HPR volunteers and is about 51 minutes long. 00:30.080 --> 00:32.880 It carries an explicit flag. 00:32.880 --> 00:40.600 The summary is, can and Dave talk about shows released and comments posted in October 2023? 00:40.600 --> 00:42.760 And why there is a call for shows? 00:42.760 --> 00:47.560 Hi everybody, my name is Ken Falon, you are listening to another episode of Hacker Public Radio 00:47.560 --> 00:48.560 today. 00:48.560 --> 00:55.480 It is Community News for October 2023 and joining me is, hello Dave Chris. 00:55.480 --> 01:00.400 So for those of you new Hacker Public Radio as a community podcast where the shows are 01:00.400 --> 01:05.920 contributed by people very much like yourself, Dave and I are the janitors and every 01:05.920 --> 01:10.800 month or so we put down our rooms and come out and discuss what's been going on in 01:10.800 --> 01:11.800 the community. 01:11.800 --> 01:17.640 So, Dave, as always, the first topic of business is introduced new hosts. 01:17.640 --> 01:23.880 Yes, and we have a new host and it's a unconditional name, Jim Logo. 01:23.880 --> 01:25.880 I think it's the correct pronunciation. 01:25.880 --> 01:30.240 So welcome Jim Logo. 01:30.240 --> 01:33.240 No, it's Jay Millog. 01:33.240 --> 01:35.240 Oh, it's good Millog. 01:35.240 --> 01:38.840 Oh, I'm sorry, I got to make you wrong. 01:39.840 --> 01:45.440 Yes, in the ancient tradition here on HPR of this pronounce in your names, we will continue. 01:45.440 --> 01:50.280 So first things, let's go through a last month's shows to make sure that everybody 01:50.280 --> 01:56.360 at least has got a nod and for those who subscribe to the feed for this show, no 01:56.360 --> 01:59.600 which episodes to go back and listen to. 01:59.600 --> 02:06.600 So the first one on the ticket was the HPR community news for September 2023. 02:06.680 --> 02:11.600 And there were no comments on that episode, Dave. 02:11.600 --> 02:13.600 Indeed, no comments. 02:13.600 --> 02:15.600 No, but it doesn't stay. 02:15.600 --> 02:19.600 Nobody hates it, probably. 02:19.600 --> 02:21.600 Yeah, let's probably more. 02:21.600 --> 02:23.600 More like it. 02:23.600 --> 02:29.840 Okay, so the next day we had the all-known use by some guy in the internet, who also 02:29.840 --> 02:31.840 didn't get a mention. 02:31.840 --> 02:36.560 Now we definitely know people love some guy in the internet, so I wonder why not. 02:37.520 --> 02:45.520 This was, this is one of these episodes about in-depth look at what a data breach is, 02:45.520 --> 02:52.800 malware, payload, pitching, fishing, risk management, vulnerability, tax services, etc. 02:52.800 --> 02:58.320 And as I said before, I'd say it again, if somebody should be hiring some guy in the 02:58.320 --> 03:05.560 internet to go in and do human firewall type training for people. 03:06.560 --> 03:08.560 Yeah, yeah, very, very well done. 03:08.560 --> 03:09.560 That's always. 03:09.560 --> 03:13.560 And as I always say, some brilliant, brilliant notes. 03:13.560 --> 03:15.560 Yes, tremendous resource there. 03:15.560 --> 03:17.560 If you want to go in dig deeper. 03:17.560 --> 03:21.560 This one I listened to while I was tuning out my shed. 03:21.560 --> 03:26.560 And it was back packing in 1993 without technology. 03:26.560 --> 03:28.560 Having never done the bike package. 03:28.560 --> 03:33.560 Sorry, bike packing, having never done bike packing myself. 03:34.560 --> 03:41.560 This was interesting just from the point of view of how things have changed in the few years 03:41.560 --> 03:43.560 that have passed. 03:43.560 --> 03:47.560 Yeah, I've never done that sort of long distance travel either. 03:47.560 --> 03:52.560 Though my son and his girlfriend have done quite a lot around Europe. 03:52.560 --> 03:54.560 So they have heard the shows. 03:54.560 --> 03:56.560 And they're not here anyway. 03:57.560 --> 04:03.560 Yeah, I know that sort of basics of what you would need to do. 04:03.560 --> 04:07.560 And you know, but it was really well described. 04:07.560 --> 04:14.560 And from a time when you had to use those bits of paper with drawings on to tell you where you were and where to go 04:14.560 --> 04:16.560 and all that sort of business. 04:16.560 --> 04:21.560 Yeah, it's amazing how it's all changed so fast. 04:21.560 --> 04:22.560 Exactly. 04:22.560 --> 04:29.560 I despite having sat nav in my car and having awesome android on my phone. 04:29.560 --> 04:33.560 Not my car but the wife's car. 04:33.560 --> 04:41.560 The we were dropping down, picking up actually the eldest from a party on New Year's Eve. 04:41.560 --> 04:44.560 And we wanted to be back on time. 04:44.560 --> 04:48.560 And the sat nav despite rooting us absolutely fine on the way down. 04:49.560 --> 04:58.560 On the way back, it both of them decided to root us across the Rhine on a furry that had stopped working at ten o'clock. 04:58.560 --> 05:02.560 I have no idea where I'm talking, boring, I'm sorry for. 05:02.560 --> 05:05.560 We were down these borings, right? 05:05.560 --> 05:08.560 And just could not get the thing. 05:08.560 --> 05:11.560 Thankfully, there was an open street map. 05:11.560 --> 05:13.560 There's a way to block this road. 05:14.560 --> 05:18.560 Eventually, we ended up rooting our way back to Rotterdam. 05:18.560 --> 05:23.560 And then, you know, using waterways, the regular old road signs from there. 05:23.560 --> 05:31.560 So I went out and got two, you know, and there were a road maps for having you in the car. 05:31.560 --> 05:33.560 Just kidding. 05:33.560 --> 05:37.560 Yeah, I've been through that phase of still keeping maps around. 05:37.560 --> 05:45.560 I don't have one now, but I have been caught out on a few occasions assuming that sat nav would work and finding that it didn't. 05:45.560 --> 05:53.560 Like when my phone died, because the USB on the car somehow would decide it wouldn't give it any power. 05:53.560 --> 05:55.560 And yeah, exactly. 05:55.560 --> 05:58.560 I just arrived in Liverpool and it got from a way to organ. 05:58.560 --> 06:02.560 Which I did, because I'd been delivered before, but, you know, that sort of thing. 06:02.560 --> 06:05.560 And I used to be a van driver for a year or so. 06:06.560 --> 06:12.560 You know, driving around Manchester, Lancashire areas and stuff and into North Wales. 06:12.560 --> 06:14.560 Oh, and that was using paper maps. 06:14.560 --> 06:17.560 Oh, bad. I could still do it at a pinch. 06:17.560 --> 06:20.560 But my brain would have an overload. 06:20.560 --> 06:22.560 Thanks, actually. 06:22.560 --> 06:25.560 There's a cool thing in Northam, Android now. 06:25.560 --> 06:31.560 If you're, if you do a route and you just split the track, you can, I do the route. 06:31.560 --> 06:35.560 And then I can just split the track and then I know to follow that track back. 06:35.560 --> 06:39.560 But they also have a way to switch the route. 06:39.560 --> 06:41.560 So follow the same route back. 06:41.560 --> 06:42.560 Brilliant. 06:42.560 --> 06:44.560 Oh, that's nice. 06:44.560 --> 06:45.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 06:45.560 --> 06:47.560 It, well, yeah. 06:47.560 --> 06:54.560 In my, my time, my parents and, and I, my sister and I used to go on holiday. 06:54.560 --> 06:57.560 And we would get an, um, 06:57.560 --> 07:02.560 itinerary from one of the, the auto, um, support companies. 07:02.560 --> 07:04.560 Yeah, or RAC. 07:04.560 --> 07:06.560 You'd, you'd say, I want to travel from here to here. 07:06.560 --> 07:12.560 And you get back this thing that said turn left to junction, blah, and carry on for so many miles. 07:12.560 --> 07:17.560 Those, those sort of things that you get on your own these days, 07:17.560 --> 07:21.560 or on satnav, but, uh, in a piece, in a sort of little book, 07:21.560 --> 07:23.560 or booklet that you, you could, yeah, up and read. 07:23.560 --> 07:27.560 So you didn't need to have a code driver really to, to give it, it's best. 07:27.560 --> 07:29.560 But, but yeah, yeah. 07:29.560 --> 07:34.560 I've taken to just writing the road numbers down here. 07:34.560 --> 07:38.560 A one, a five, and two, six, six, blah, blah, blah. 07:38.560 --> 07:40.560 Okay, I am. 07:40.560 --> 07:41.560 Yeah. 07:41.560 --> 07:43.560 So it's, it's a fascinating subject. 07:43.560 --> 07:48.560 We could, I'm trying this a lot of potential for old geases talking about the old way of doing things. 07:48.560 --> 07:52.560 Yeah, it's, it's more about redundancy and fall back. 07:52.560 --> 07:53.560 Yeah, absolutely. 07:53.560 --> 07:58.560 I just, I'm also amazed at how much stuff people put on their phones now. 07:58.560 --> 08:02.560 You know, your public transport train tickets to get to work. 08:02.560 --> 08:07.560 Your, uh, bank passes now on there. 08:07.560 --> 08:11.560 You know, people are going up to the counters with their phones. 08:11.560 --> 08:17.560 And, yeah, you're just six hours of battery life away from completely isolated. 08:17.560 --> 08:20.560 Don't know where you are. 08:20.560 --> 08:21.560 Got no money. 08:21.560 --> 08:22.560 Yeah, exactly. 08:22.560 --> 08:23.560 Don't know where you are. 08:23.560 --> 08:24.560 Got no money. 08:24.560 --> 08:25.560 Got no fall to form. 08:25.560 --> 08:26.560 Not, got no. 08:26.560 --> 08:27.560 Yeah. 08:27.560 --> 08:29.560 So, uh, sobering calls. 08:29.560 --> 08:30.560 Yeah. 08:30.560 --> 08:31.560 Yeah. 08:31.560 --> 08:32.560 Yeah. 08:32.560 --> 08:33.560 Yeah. 08:33.560 --> 08:38.560 Anywho, the following day, we had download and EHPR series with English file limbs. 08:38.560 --> 08:46.560 Uh, which creates, uh, so there's a batch script written by gemlock, which writes a directory with a series of names for all the shows. 08:46.560 --> 08:54.560 Our renamed with the show title.mp3 inside just so instead of HBR1, HBR2, HBR3, that their 08:54.560 --> 08:56.560 shows have been renamed. 08:56.560 --> 08:58.560 So, excellent show. 08:58.560 --> 08:59.560 Uh, yeah. 08:59.560 --> 09:03.560 It's, it's almost good to know what, how people are doing stuff. 09:03.560 --> 09:06.560 And then I went, oh, yeah, that actually is a problem. 09:06.560 --> 09:07.560 Yeah. 09:07.560 --> 09:08.560 Yeah. 09:08.560 --> 09:09.560 Yeah. 09:09.560 --> 09:11.560 It's, um, it's quite fascinating actually. 09:11.560 --> 09:12.560 Yeah. 09:12.560 --> 09:15.560 I, I would not have approached it that way personally. 09:15.560 --> 09:18.560 But, you know, that's because I'm a me. 09:18.560 --> 09:23.560 And it's just very, very interesting to see how other people do that type of thing. 09:23.560 --> 09:26.560 This prompted me to do a follow-up show. 09:26.560 --> 09:29.560 So, we'll be hitting that again in the feed shortly. 09:29.560 --> 09:30.560 Mm-hmm. 09:30.560 --> 09:31.560 Again, no comments. 09:31.560 --> 09:35.560 So, the next day we had on the road at last preparations are done. 09:35.560 --> 09:37.560 And we start out the road. 09:37.560 --> 09:44.560 This is, uh, Huka, uh, traveling with this early travel southeast US of A. 09:45.560 --> 09:46.560 Yeah. 09:46.560 --> 09:48.560 I enjoy these enormously. 09:48.560 --> 09:52.560 And, uh, yeah, this is them heading off after lots of, uh, 09:52.560 --> 09:56.560 full starts and problems before they could get head out, wasn't it? 09:56.560 --> 09:58.560 And, uh, yeah. 09:58.560 --> 10:01.560 Then heading off to, to interesting places. 10:01.560 --> 10:04.560 Alabama and Memphis and places like that. 10:04.560 --> 10:05.560 Yeah. 10:05.560 --> 10:06.560 Cool. 10:06.560 --> 10:07.560 In Christmas. 10:07.560 --> 10:08.560 Very good. 10:08.560 --> 10:09.560 Yeah. 10:09.560 --> 10:10.560 Yeah. 10:10.560 --> 10:13.560 As always, there's, um, good documentation in there. 10:13.560 --> 10:14.560 And, uh, lovely photos. 10:14.560 --> 10:17.560 I'm living the curiously through Huka. 10:17.560 --> 10:18.560 Okay. 10:18.560 --> 10:26.560 So, the next day, we had re, re, how to make friends, uh, where mugs and some guy in the internet 10:26.560 --> 10:31.560 had his friend, mugs, chat about friends and women edition. 10:31.560 --> 10:33.560 And there was one comment. 10:33.560 --> 10:36.560 Uh, Caesar said hello, hi mugs up. 10:36.560 --> 10:40.560 So, obviously a friend saying hi there. 10:40.560 --> 10:41.560 Yeah. 10:41.560 --> 10:42.560 Yeah. 10:43.560 --> 10:46.560 So, it sounds like quite a community that, uh, 10:46.560 --> 10:52.560 Scotty lives in, or, or, uh, meets up with, uh, on now on the internet. 10:52.560 --> 10:53.560 So, yeah. 10:53.560 --> 10:54.560 Very good. 10:54.560 --> 10:56.560 It is, I love these things. 10:56.560 --> 11:02.560 It's a very insightful, um, and lots of opinions and discussions and stuff about about, uh, 11:02.560 --> 11:06.560 things that, uh, you know, you have your own view of, but it's, 11:06.560 --> 11:08.560 wonderful to hear somebody else's, have a look. 11:08.560 --> 11:09.560 Absolutely. 11:09.560 --> 11:10.560 Yeah. 11:10.560 --> 11:13.560 So, the next day, we had, it's your data. 11:13.560 --> 11:16.560 Can, it shows the safer way to get episodes from HPR. 11:16.560 --> 11:23.560 And by, safer, that was my episode in response to general, so, uh, in response, 11:23.560 --> 11:28.560 safer in the sense that your script is unlikely to break because, 11:28.560 --> 11:32.560 can or Dave change something in the main HPR site. 11:32.560 --> 11:36.560 So, this is, uh, a similar way to do it. 11:36.560 --> 11:43.560 Um, but instead of using the main site, we use the, uh, HPR, uh, feed. 11:43.560 --> 11:49.560 And use the XML, which is a fixed format guarantee to be in the form of, 11:49.560 --> 11:53.560 never to change, uh, never, uh, pastrics. 11:53.560 --> 12:01.560 So, then they can download the XML from the feed and then parse it through XML Starlet, 12:01.560 --> 12:05.560 which is designed to, uh, pull out pieces and then, um, 12:06.560 --> 12:11.560 it gets you the URL, the extension and the title, and then it downloads it. 12:11.560 --> 12:13.560 So, good. 12:13.560 --> 12:14.560 Good. 12:14.560 --> 12:15.560 Yeah. 12:15.560 --> 12:16.560 Yeah. 12:16.560 --> 12:17.560 Good. 12:17.560 --> 12:18.560 Good. 12:18.560 --> 12:19.560 Yeah. 12:19.560 --> 12:20.560 Good. 12:20.560 --> 12:21.560 Good. 12:21.560 --> 12:22.560 Good. 12:22.560 --> 12:23.560 Good. 12:23.560 --> 12:24.560 Good. 12:24.560 --> 12:25.560 Good. 12:25.560 --> 12:26.560 Good. 12:26.560 --> 12:27.560 Good. 12:27.560 --> 12:28.560 Good. 12:28.560 --> 12:30.560 Good. 12:30.560 --> 12:31.560 Good. 12:31.560 --> 12:32.560 Good. 12:32.560 --> 12:33.560 Good. 12:33.560 --> 12:34.560 Good. 12:34.560 --> 12:39.560 So, it's some, maybe we should, uh, have a look at the, a, the Frigımızı questions thing, 12:39.560 --> 12:40.560 but... 12:40.560 --> 12:43.560 Put that as a sort of dummy dummy question. 12:43.560 --> 12:48.560 And we get the feed, oh, you go there and do this, and so, and that might be, 12:48.560 --> 12:49.560 might be a fun thing to add. 12:49.560 --> 12:50.560 Yeah. 12:50.560 --> 12:55.560 I think people are possibly scared of, uh, XML, um, which this shouldn't be, 12:55.560 --> 12:59.560 if you look at Fitchy M nå, alive I might fall scarier to be honest. 12:59.560 --> 13:00.560 Yeah. 13:00.560 --> 13:01.560 You in adem do anything with it. 13:01.560 --> 13:02.560 Yeah. 13:02.560 --> 13:03.560 Faith. 13:03.560 --> 13:06.560 It depends what you, what you're trying to process it with. 13:06.560 --> 13:10.560 I mean, if you tried to use regular expressions on it or something, 13:10.560 --> 13:13.560 um, or, you know, just playing grab or something, then you, 13:13.560 --> 13:16.560 you're in, you can easily dig yourself a deep deep hole. 13:16.560 --> 13:22.560 But, uh, but with tools like XML style it, or, uh, the, the libraries in, 13:22.560 --> 13:26.560 of a scripting language is, uh, a whole Python, et cetera. 13:26.560 --> 13:29.560 Then, you know, it's, it's pretty, pretty straightforward stuff. 13:29.560 --> 13:32.560 Once you go ahead round the, the general concept. 13:32.560 --> 13:34.560 Or it does take a while though. 13:34.560 --> 13:35.560 It does take a while. 13:35.560 --> 13:37.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 13:37.560 --> 13:40.560 I, I dabbled with XML very early on. 13:40.560 --> 13:43.560 I think because there was a group in the university, 13:43.560 --> 13:47.560 he was using XML as their, sort of metadata for, for, um, 13:47.560 --> 13:50.560 teaching delivery system. 13:50.560 --> 13:52.560 So I, I thought I wasn't supporting. 13:52.560 --> 13:55.560 I was just interested to know how to work. 13:55.560 --> 13:59.560 Um, an XML was pretty primitive in the early days. 13:59.560 --> 14:03.560 Probably because the tools around it were very sparse, I think. 14:03.560 --> 14:06.560 Um, so yeah, scared me off a bit. 14:06.560 --> 14:08.560 I have to say. 14:08.560 --> 14:13.560 So, yeah, yeah, uh, did a lot of work with XML, 14:13.560 --> 14:16.560 but, uh, not recently, but then again, could, 14:16.560 --> 14:17.560 could change tomorrow. 14:17.560 --> 14:18.560 You never know. 14:18.560 --> 14:19.560 Okay. 14:19.560 --> 14:22.560 Next day, we have Storytelling Games. 14:22.560 --> 14:26.560 Three Storytelling, based games, and some parts unrolled 14:26.560 --> 14:31.560 games by D&T inspired by a plateau post, 14:31.560 --> 14:33.560 and there's games, 14:33.560 --> 14:38.560 mentioned, Rory Storycube's Dark Colts, and once upon a time, 14:38.560 --> 14:41.560 we had, we have Storycube's used them here for the kids, 14:41.560 --> 14:42.560 parties and stuff. 14:42.560 --> 14:44.560 Oh, okay. Oh, nice, nice. 14:44.560 --> 14:47.560 Yeah, it's not a thing I know anything at all about, 14:47.560 --> 14:50.560 but I think my daughter would, would be able to tell me a lot 14:50.560 --> 14:51.560 if I asked her. 14:51.560 --> 14:55.560 But, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's actually cool, actually. 14:55.560 --> 14:59.560 Sounds quite a, quite a fun thing to, to get involved with. 14:59.560 --> 15:00.560 Yeah. 15:00.560 --> 15:03.560 And, no comments on this. 15:03.560 --> 15:07.560 So, the next day, we had Hacker Public Radio at OLF, 15:07.560 --> 15:10.560 which was, uh, Ohio Linux Fest, 15:10.560 --> 15:13.560 and there was a Hacker Public Radio meetup 15:13.560 --> 15:16.560 around the conference on the hallway track, 15:16.560 --> 15:19.560 as we, as we know, for sure, as best. 15:19.560 --> 15:24.560 Yeah, this was, was intrigued to see that OLF 15:24.560 --> 15:27.560 might not mean Ohio Linux Fest anymore, 15:27.560 --> 15:32.560 because the Ohio linkage might not be a strong one. 15:32.560 --> 15:35.560 I don't know. Open Libra Free was, 15:35.560 --> 15:38.560 it suggested it might actually sound for, but, uh, 15:38.560 --> 15:39.560 it just confuses me. 15:39.560 --> 15:41.560 But, yeah, it was a great show. 15:41.560 --> 15:45.560 It, one of those things, just a bunch of people 15:45.560 --> 15:48.560 at an event, getting together and chatting, 15:48.560 --> 15:52.560 that, uh, in the early days of, 15:52.560 --> 15:55.560 my encounter with, um, HPR. 15:55.560 --> 15:57.560 There were a lot of those, and, uh, 15:57.560 --> 15:59.560 and I sort of miss them a bit, you know, 15:59.560 --> 16:02.560 because there's something rather fun about the dynamic 16:02.560 --> 16:03.560 of these things. 16:03.560 --> 16:06.560 Yeah, it's lovely to hear. Enjoyed it very much. 16:06.560 --> 16:08.560 As you know, it's nice to sit around 16:08.560 --> 16:11.560 and shoot the breeze, actually, for a while. 16:11.560 --> 16:13.560 And it's also good to see that the OLF 16:13.560 --> 16:15.560 is back in whatever form. 16:15.560 --> 16:17.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 16:17.560 --> 16:19.560 Whatever the initial sacrifice. 16:19.560 --> 16:20.560 Yeah, it sounds good. 16:21.560 --> 16:24.560 So the next one is, I've taken 16:24.560 --> 16:27.560 the conquer virtual health challenge 16:27.560 --> 16:30.560 Daniel Pearson's is trying to make his life better. 16:30.560 --> 16:32.560 Which I think of this one. 16:32.560 --> 16:36.560 This is quite, yeah, it's most intriguing. 16:36.560 --> 16:40.560 It's a thing that incentivizes you 16:40.560 --> 16:44.560 to, to walk and, um, and keep track of your walks 16:44.560 --> 16:48.560 and do things to, to just generally, uh, 16:48.560 --> 16:49.560 be more healthy. 16:49.560 --> 16:52.560 And it sounds to me like a really, really good thing. 16:52.560 --> 16:54.560 It's something that, um, 16:54.560 --> 16:56.560 gives you a bit of structure where 16:56.560 --> 16:58.560 you may not be very good at, uh, 16:58.560 --> 17:00.560 being consistent with these things. 17:00.560 --> 17:03.560 It'd have something to help you to be more consistent 17:03.560 --> 17:05.560 and, uh, and so forth is, is great. 17:05.560 --> 17:07.560 I like it very much. 17:07.560 --> 17:12.560 Yeah, I, uh, I, uh, I'm big into this. 17:12.560 --> 17:14.560 It drives me nuts. 17:14.560 --> 17:16.560 The reminder applications. 17:16.560 --> 17:19.560 Yeah, I, uh, just put it turns me off. 17:19.560 --> 17:20.560 I actually do this stuff. 17:20.560 --> 17:23.560 The gamification of a task. 17:23.560 --> 17:25.560 I'm doing the task because I enjoy it. 17:25.560 --> 17:26.560 It's, I don't know. 17:26.560 --> 17:28.560 It's just the way my brain is wired to. 17:28.560 --> 17:29.560 Sorry. 17:29.560 --> 17:32.560 There is a mindset that says, um, 17:32.560 --> 17:35.560 if you are being, if there's a demand, 17:35.560 --> 17:38.560 a challenge or something like that, um, 17:38.560 --> 17:41.560 when somebody, or you are telling yourself to do a thing, 17:41.560 --> 17:45.560 then you're going to do anything to avoid 17:46.560 --> 17:49.560 I think I might belong to that set of people because, 17:49.560 --> 17:52.560 because, uh, yeah, in principle, it's great, 17:52.560 --> 17:57.560 but I need to be asked very politely or to, uh, 17:57.560 --> 17:59.560 to have some sort of ritual, 17:59.560 --> 18:02.560 because I'm driven by habits and rituals. 18:02.560 --> 18:04.560 If I have a ritual, it says, 18:04.560 --> 18:05.560 oh, it's 10 o'clock. 18:05.560 --> 18:06.560 Time to do blah. 18:06.560 --> 18:07.560 Then I will do it. 18:07.560 --> 18:09.560 But if somebody says, oh, you should really be doing, 18:09.560 --> 18:11.560 oh, right, oh, I'm not going to do it then. 18:11.560 --> 18:12.560 Says my brain. 18:12.560 --> 18:13.560 Not me. 18:13.560 --> 18:14.560 Not my conscious self. 18:14.560 --> 18:16.560 It doesn't say, no, I'm not going to do it, 18:16.560 --> 18:18.560 because I know that I should be doing it, 18:18.560 --> 18:20.560 but my brain somehow says, well, 18:20.560 --> 18:22.560 there's something more important over there, 18:22.560 --> 18:25.560 you know, you need to go and do that instead. 18:25.560 --> 18:26.560 So yeah. 18:26.560 --> 18:28.560 So I don't know. 18:28.560 --> 18:30.560 I have to have to actually use the thing, 18:30.560 --> 18:32.560 well, this is to know if it was good, 18:32.560 --> 18:34.560 but I can imagine that many people would find it, 18:34.560 --> 18:36.560 so, um, all kind of to them. 18:36.560 --> 18:38.560 There was one common third you want to read that? 18:38.560 --> 18:39.560 Oh, I'll do that. 18:39.560 --> 18:40.560 Yes, so I was, 18:41.560 --> 18:43.560 um, Keith Murray, Katie Murray, 18:43.560 --> 18:46.560 uh, says, hello T.R. Challenge. 18:46.560 --> 18:48.560 I'm very interested in it. 18:48.560 --> 18:50.560 I'm always on the lookout for more reasons 18:50.560 --> 18:51.560 or self-bribery. 18:51.560 --> 18:53.560 It'll help me get to move more. 18:53.560 --> 18:55.560 If anyone else is interested, 18:55.560 --> 18:57.560 I've included the link below 18:57.560 --> 19:00.560 and there's a link to the conqueror events. 19:00.560 --> 19:02.560 Some are cool. 19:02.560 --> 19:04.560 Very, very cool. 19:04.560 --> 19:07.560 And some guy in the internet did 19:07.560 --> 19:10.560 Vim hints, zero zero six, 19:10.560 --> 19:11.560 the sort of, 19:11.560 --> 19:12.560 two to zero seven. 19:12.560 --> 19:13.560 Double zero six, 19:13.560 --> 19:15.560 almost LEDs. 19:15.560 --> 19:16.560 Liesens to, 19:16.560 --> 19:18.560 Liesens to thrill. 19:18.560 --> 19:20.560 Liesens to, 19:20.560 --> 19:21.560 some pun on. 19:21.560 --> 19:22.560 Vim. 19:22.560 --> 19:23.560 Liesens to Vim. 19:23.560 --> 19:25.560 Okay, that'll work. 19:25.560 --> 19:27.560 I had to, 19:27.560 --> 19:28.560 I was reading this in a bus 19:28.560 --> 19:30.560 come back from Ireland somehow. 19:30.560 --> 19:31.560 Don't know how that happened. 19:31.560 --> 19:34.560 And I had to scroll on the screen 19:35.560 --> 19:39.560 because he mentions in the episode a lot of things 19:39.560 --> 19:42.560 that he assumes that people understand. 19:42.560 --> 19:45.560 And I had no idea 19:45.560 --> 19:47.560 some of these things set to confirm 19:47.560 --> 19:49.560 display confirmation dialogue 19:49.560 --> 19:50.560 when closing on so far, 19:50.560 --> 19:51.560 etc. 19:51.560 --> 19:53.560 So I went and read all of them. 19:53.560 --> 19:54.560 But a great episode. 19:54.560 --> 19:56.560 Amazing what you can do with them. 19:56.560 --> 19:57.560 Yeah, absolutely. 19:57.560 --> 19:58.560 Absolutely. 19:58.560 --> 20:00.560 No, I set them offline. 20:00.560 --> 20:02.560 Thank you very much for resurrecting 20:02.560 --> 20:05.560 the Vim series that I'd started and 20:05.560 --> 20:07.560 fail to continue years ago. 20:07.560 --> 20:12.560 So it's good to see it up and up and running again. 20:12.560 --> 20:15.560 Because there's a lot of enthusiasm for Vim. 20:15.560 --> 20:16.560 You know, 20:16.560 --> 20:19.560 on the HPR matrix channel, particularly. 20:19.560 --> 20:22.560 Yeah, and in the world in general, of course. 20:22.560 --> 20:25.560 So yeah, there's a lot of things to learn here. 20:25.560 --> 20:27.560 I think the suggestion was made, 20:27.560 --> 20:30.560 maybe we should all be throwing our config files 20:31.560 --> 20:35.560 into the ring to do an end with this thing. 20:35.560 --> 20:37.560 Mine is a nightmare, 20:37.560 --> 20:38.560 so I'm not going to do it, 20:38.560 --> 20:39.560 but I might, 20:39.560 --> 20:42.560 I might be the incentive to make it clean up 20:42.560 --> 20:44.560 and then share, 20:44.560 --> 20:46.560 or share bits of it or something like that. 20:46.560 --> 20:47.560 Yeah. 20:47.560 --> 20:48.560 Cool. 20:48.560 --> 20:49.560 Very, indeed. 20:49.560 --> 20:51.560 I normally don't bother 20:51.560 --> 20:55.560 with them config until it started with that mouse thing. 20:55.560 --> 20:56.560 And I, 20:56.560 --> 20:59.560 we're set no mouse, something or all that. 20:59.560 --> 21:02.560 And then I began very interested in my Vim config, 21:02.560 --> 21:05.560 when the default was so super annoying. 21:05.560 --> 21:06.560 Yeah, I know, 21:06.560 --> 21:07.560 some, 21:07.560 --> 21:08.560 I, 21:08.560 --> 21:09.560 I've, 21:09.560 --> 21:10.560 fiddled with my, 21:10.560 --> 21:12.560 in config a lot. 21:12.560 --> 21:15.560 I've been using them for a very, very long time, 21:15.560 --> 21:17.560 since the 19, 21:17.560 --> 21:19.560 early 90s probably. 21:19.560 --> 21:21.560 And so, 21:21.560 --> 21:23.560 where it's by then, of course, 21:23.560 --> 21:25.560 but jumped on them, 21:25.560 --> 21:26.560 soon as it, 21:26.560 --> 21:28.560 it became a good thing to do. 21:28.560 --> 21:29.560 And, 21:29.560 --> 21:30.560 so yeah, 21:30.560 --> 21:31.560 but it's a lot of, 21:31.560 --> 21:32.560 a lot of junk in there, 21:32.560 --> 21:33.560 a lot of junk. 21:33.560 --> 21:35.560 There's a lot of things that said, 21:35.560 --> 21:36.560 tried this, 21:36.560 --> 21:37.560 didn't work, 21:37.560 --> 21:38.560 I leave it in, 21:38.560 --> 21:39.560 he just in case. 21:39.560 --> 21:40.560 Yeah, 21:40.560 --> 21:41.560 doesn't, 21:41.560 --> 21:42.560 not all that useful. 21:42.560 --> 21:43.560 It's like the inside of my house, 21:43.560 --> 21:44.560 you know, 21:44.560 --> 21:46.560 I might use that cardboard box later on. 21:46.560 --> 21:47.560 Ten years later. 21:47.560 --> 21:49.560 It's starting to start. 21:49.560 --> 21:51.560 Yeah, 21:51.560 --> 21:52.560 yeah, 21:52.560 --> 21:53.560 I did, 21:53.560 --> 21:54.560 I do occasionally, 21:54.560 --> 21:55.560 here's the thing, 21:55.560 --> 21:56.560 right, 21:56.560 --> 21:57.560 just a little when I go, 21:58.560 --> 21:59.560 my, 21:59.560 --> 22:01.560 since girlfriend Natasha was making a, 22:01.560 --> 22:02.560 bottle top, 22:02.560 --> 22:03.560 got milk bottle, 22:03.560 --> 22:06.560 getting delivered milk in glass bottles. 22:06.560 --> 22:07.560 So, for free, 22:07.560 --> 22:08.560 you know, 22:08.560 --> 22:09.560 to be a, 22:09.560 --> 22:10.560 a good, 22:10.560 --> 22:12.560 planet advocate. 22:12.560 --> 22:13.560 And yeah, 22:13.560 --> 22:14.560 but, 22:14.560 --> 22:15.560 how do you close a milk bottle, 22:15.560 --> 22:16.560 they don't come with lids. 22:16.560 --> 22:18.560 They come with a tinful thing, 22:18.560 --> 22:19.560 but you can't re-close it. 22:19.560 --> 22:21.560 So she 3D printed a lid for it, 22:21.560 --> 22:22.560 and they put it on. 22:22.560 --> 22:23.560 And it's fine. 22:23.560 --> 22:24.560 It's, 22:24.560 --> 22:25.560 she measured it all right, 22:25.560 --> 22:26.560 and it's beautiful. 22:26.560 --> 22:27.560 But it doesn't, 22:27.560 --> 22:29.560 doesn't hold on nice and tight. 22:29.560 --> 22:30.560 And there was me going, 22:30.560 --> 22:31.560 oh, 22:31.560 --> 22:33.560 I've got piece of inner tube here, 22:33.560 --> 22:34.560 just wash it, 22:34.560 --> 22:36.560 and cut a piece of that length and stick it on. 22:36.560 --> 22:37.560 And it was brilliant work, 22:37.560 --> 22:38.560 absolutely perfectly, 22:38.560 --> 22:39.560 who knew. 22:39.560 --> 22:41.560 So it's good thing I've got a piece of inner tube 22:41.560 --> 22:42.560 blown on my desk here, isn't it? 22:42.560 --> 22:43.560 No. 22:43.560 --> 22:45.560 But you know how it is. 22:45.560 --> 22:47.560 The day when you think, 22:47.560 --> 22:48.560 oh, yes, 22:48.560 --> 22:49.560 all of my incredibly, 22:49.560 --> 22:50.560 I'm tired. 22:50.560 --> 22:51.560 The day when you think, 22:51.560 --> 22:52.560 oh, yes, 22:52.560 --> 22:53.560 all of my incredibly, 22:54.560 --> 22:55.560 a tiny parting tongue, 22:55.560 --> 22:57.560 so crap in my throat. 22:57.560 --> 22:58.560 Yes. 23:00.560 --> 23:01.560 OK. 23:01.560 --> 23:02.560 OK. 23:02.560 --> 23:03.560 Oh. 23:03.560 --> 23:04.560 Oh. 23:04.560 --> 23:05.560 Oh. 23:05.560 --> 23:06.560 Right. 23:06.560 --> 23:09.560 Don't get it silent stuff, right, 23:09.560 --> 23:10.560 Oh. 23:10.560 --> 23:13.560 So is it my turn to do the comment, 23:13.560 --> 23:15.560 and have a comment from Wendy's. 23:15.560 --> 23:16.560 Oh, no. 23:16.560 --> 23:17.560 It's all relative, 23:17.560 --> 23:18.560 you says. 23:18.560 --> 23:21.560 Thank you for the configuration for relative line numbering, 23:21.560 --> 23:24.560 that was immediately added to my VMRC. 23:24.560 --> 23:26.560 I might have to comb through the episode a second time, 23:26.560 --> 23:29.560 to make sure I didn't miss any gems, 23:29.560 --> 23:30.560 much appreciated. 23:30.560 --> 23:31.560 Yeah. 23:31.560 --> 23:32.560 Absolutely. 23:32.560 --> 23:34.560 But that was when to go to. 23:34.560 --> 23:35.560 Yeah. 23:35.560 --> 23:36.560 It was, yeah. 23:36.560 --> 23:37.560 Nice to hear from Wendy, 23:37.560 --> 23:39.560 but we don't, we don't hear enough. 23:39.560 --> 23:41.560 I find it. 23:41.560 --> 23:43.560 And I just realized that was, 23:43.560 --> 23:44.560 I was hinting then. 23:44.560 --> 23:45.560 Stop it. 23:45.560 --> 23:47.560 Very good. 23:47.560 --> 23:50.560 The next time we had unsolicited thoughts 23:51.560 --> 23:54.560 I'm running open source software projects. 23:54.560 --> 23:55.560 And this is by D&T, 23:55.560 --> 23:58.560 man talking to himself on his drive home, 23:58.560 --> 24:02.560 and it was part of the reserve queue. 24:02.560 --> 24:06.560 And comparing password stores and stuff like, 24:06.560 --> 24:07.560 yeah, 24:07.560 --> 24:08.560 fans forward like, 24:08.560 --> 24:10.560 get home, et cetera. 24:10.560 --> 24:12.560 Nice episode, actually. 24:12.560 --> 24:13.560 Yeah. 24:13.560 --> 24:14.560 Yeah. 24:14.560 --> 24:16.560 And I quite like these sort of, 24:16.560 --> 24:18.560 me entering, 24:19.560 --> 24:20.560 type subjects. 24:20.560 --> 24:22.560 And yeah, 24:22.560 --> 24:23.560 it's, 24:23.560 --> 24:26.560 it's some interesting points there. 24:26.560 --> 24:29.560 I didn't come away with those sort of hit list, 24:29.560 --> 24:31.560 but I certainly came away with the feeling 24:31.560 --> 24:34.560 that I listened to something well worth 24:34.560 --> 24:35.560 for the consideration. 24:35.560 --> 24:38.560 So it's worth going back and having to listen in my case. 24:38.560 --> 24:40.560 I think further listeners say. 24:40.560 --> 24:43.560 So the, the argument here actually was that, 24:44.560 --> 24:46.560 um, 24:46.560 --> 24:47.560 uh, 24:47.560 --> 24:48.560 if somebody, 24:48.560 --> 24:50.560 if somebody, 24:50.560 --> 24:51.560 um, 24:51.560 --> 24:55.560 who was subscribing to patches on a mail list and stuff, 24:55.560 --> 24:57.560 and that people were wondering, 24:57.560 --> 24:59.560 why don't place my patch accepted? 24:59.560 --> 25:02.560 And it was contemplating the old style of, 25:02.560 --> 25:03.560 you know, 25:03.560 --> 25:04.560 you said in the patch, 25:04.560 --> 25:05.560 great. 25:05.560 --> 25:06.560 Well don't you, 25:06.560 --> 25:07.560 you know, 25:07.560 --> 25:08.560 versus the, 25:08.560 --> 25:09.560 uh, 25:09.560 --> 25:10.560 versus the GitHub. 25:10.560 --> 25:11.560 Yeah, 25:11.560 --> 25:14.560 patch and that needs you to release it in, 25:14.560 --> 25:16.560 updates all downstream systems is, 25:16.560 --> 25:17.560 basically they, 25:17.560 --> 25:19.560 I think the idea while, 25:19.560 --> 25:20.560 or the, 25:20.560 --> 25:24.560 the thoughts discussion which had been thinking about it was, 25:24.560 --> 25:25.560 uh, 25:25.560 --> 25:28.560 do you have a right to, 25:28.560 --> 25:30.560 just because just submitted to patch 25:30.560 --> 25:33.560 that somebody else who's maintaining the project, 25:33.560 --> 25:36.560 do they have to maintain your patch. 25:36.560 --> 25:37.560 You know, 25:37.560 --> 25:39.560 it's a interesting thought, actually. 25:39.560 --> 25:40.560 Yeah. 25:40.560 --> 25:41.460 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of... 25:41.460 --> 25:44.460 I can see that I've not had direct experience of it. 25:44.460 --> 25:47.460 I mean, I have been the person nagging the, 25:47.460 --> 25:49.460 uh, the originator of the software, 25:49.460 --> 25:51.460 but not sending PIs, 25:51.460 --> 25:53.460 more to say, this doesn't work, 25:53.460 --> 25:54.460 can you fix it? 25:54.460 --> 25:55.460 So, um, 25:55.460 --> 25:56.460 yeah. 25:56.460 --> 25:58.460 But there is, there is a tendency to say, 25:58.460 --> 26:03.460 my needs are not being met by your free software, 26:03.460 --> 26:06.460 so you need to sort it out sort of thing, 26:06.460 --> 26:08.460 and, um, 26:08.460 --> 26:09.460 many people will say, 26:09.460 --> 26:10.460 oh, 26:10.460 --> 26:12.460 I meant it to do that, so I will fix it. 26:12.460 --> 26:13.460 Yes. 26:13.460 --> 26:14.460 As soon as I can, 26:14.460 --> 26:15.460 and they do, 26:15.460 --> 26:16.460 in my experience, 26:16.460 --> 26:17.460 um, 26:17.460 --> 26:18.460 but there are, 26:18.460 --> 26:21.460 there are pressures here that could be, 26:21.460 --> 26:25.460 rather unpleasant on the receiving end, I guess. 26:25.460 --> 26:26.460 Yeah. 26:26.460 --> 26:27.460 Just think, 26:27.460 --> 26:28.460 um, 26:28.460 --> 26:30.460 he was pondering the old days where there was no assumption 26:30.460 --> 26:34.460 that he would guess your patch's accepted. 26:34.460 --> 26:35.460 You might not, 26:35.460 --> 26:37.460 and now we get old, 26:37.460 --> 26:38.460 you know, 26:38.460 --> 26:39.460 released a patch, 26:39.460 --> 26:40.460 and it's a branch, 26:40.460 --> 26:41.460 it does a get, 26:41.460 --> 26:42.460 or a commit. 26:42.460 --> 26:43.460 So, 26:43.460 --> 26:44.460 please commit it. 26:44.460 --> 26:45.460 No, don't want that, 26:45.460 --> 26:46.460 can I make me, 26:46.460 --> 26:47.460 type, 26:47.460 --> 26:48.460 it's a bastard, 26:48.460 --> 26:50.460 run your own version. 26:50.460 --> 26:52.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 26:52.460 --> 26:53.460 A good episode, 26:53.460 --> 26:54.460 I advise, uh, 26:54.460 --> 26:55.460 No, 26:55.460 --> 26:56.460 to listen to it, 26:56.460 --> 26:57.460 that's kind of the point of why, 26:57.460 --> 26:59.460 why we do this show is to, 26:59.460 --> 27:00.460 you know, 27:00.460 --> 27:01.460 you might listen to that five, 27:01.460 --> 27:04.460 five minute episode from the reserve queue, 27:04.460 --> 27:05.460 but it's well worth to listen. 27:05.460 --> 27:06.460 Yeah. 27:06.460 --> 27:07.460 Oh, yeah, 27:07.460 --> 27:08.460 absolutely. 27:08.460 --> 27:11.460 I always listen closely to the NTS stuff. 27:11.460 --> 27:15.460 He's got some interesting thoughts on matters. 27:15.460 --> 27:16.460 And the retail, 27:16.460 --> 27:17.460 uh, 27:17.460 --> 27:18.460 we, uh, 27:18.460 --> 27:21.460 apologies for changing the time last month, 27:21.460 --> 27:23.460 or was it the month before that? 27:23.460 --> 27:24.460 Yeah, 27:24.460 --> 27:25.460 yeah, 27:25.460 --> 27:26.460 I'm sorry about that. 27:26.460 --> 27:28.460 Scheduling issues on my side, 27:28.460 --> 27:29.460 because, 27:29.460 --> 27:30.460 yeah, 27:30.460 --> 27:31.460 usual. 27:31.460 --> 27:32.460 Um, 27:32.460 --> 27:33.460 so we had, 27:33.460 --> 27:34.460 uh, 27:34.460 --> 27:35.460 this was also from the reserve queue. 27:35.460 --> 27:36.460 Uh, 27:36.460 --> 27:37.460 uh, 27:37.460 --> 27:39.460 about USB imageer part one of two, 27:39.460 --> 27:41.460 and I had not known about this application, 27:41.460 --> 27:43.460 but it is, 27:43.460 --> 27:44.460 uh, 27:44.460 --> 27:46.460 one that's very interesting runs on, 27:46.460 --> 27:47.460 uh, 27:47.460 --> 27:48.460 Windows was, 27:48.460 --> 27:49.460 uh, 27:49.460 --> 27:50.460 or sex and Linux. 27:50.460 --> 27:51.460 So, 27:51.460 --> 27:52.460 kind of, 27:52.460 --> 27:53.460 yeah, 27:53.460 --> 27:54.460 yeah, 27:54.460 --> 27:55.460 I also knew nothing of it, 27:55.460 --> 27:56.460 and, 27:56.460 --> 27:57.460 uh, 27:57.460 --> 27:58.460 used, 27:58.460 --> 27:59.460 uh, 27:59.460 --> 28:00.460 D.D. 28:00.460 --> 28:01.460 or, 28:01.460 --> 28:02.460 um, 28:02.460 --> 28:03.460 Blena etcher in the past. 28:04.460 --> 28:05.460 And, uh, 28:05.460 --> 28:06.460 I didn't know about this tool, 28:06.460 --> 28:07.460 so I, 28:07.460 --> 28:08.460 I installed it. 28:08.460 --> 28:09.460 It's very, 28:09.460 --> 28:10.460 very basic. 28:10.460 --> 28:11.460 Um, 28:11.460 --> 28:12.460 but that's all to the good really. 28:12.460 --> 28:13.460 Um, 28:13.460 --> 28:14.460 so yeah, 28:14.460 --> 28:16.460 I haven't actually had a chance to use it yet, 28:16.460 --> 28:17.460 or need to use it, 28:17.460 --> 28:18.460 but I will, 28:18.460 --> 28:20.460 that will be the thing I use when I next need to, 28:20.460 --> 28:21.460 write an SD card, 28:21.460 --> 28:22.460 I think. 28:22.460 --> 28:23.460 Yep. 28:23.460 --> 28:24.460 Yeah, 28:24.460 --> 28:25.460 I'll give it a try, 28:25.460 --> 28:26.460 and I think that's, 28:26.460 --> 28:28.460 of my horizon shortly. 28:28.460 --> 28:29.460 So, 28:29.460 --> 28:30.460 the next day, 28:30.460 --> 28:31.460 we had game sales, 28:31.460 --> 28:32.460 which was, 28:32.460 --> 28:33.460 by a hookah, 28:33.460 --> 28:34.460 again, 28:34.460 --> 28:35.460 from the reserve queue. 28:35.460 --> 28:40.460 And it was basically tips on how to look for bargains, 28:40.460 --> 28:41.460 um, 28:41.460 --> 28:42.460 in, 28:42.460 --> 28:43.460 in games. 28:43.460 --> 28:44.460 So, 28:44.460 --> 28:46.460 essentially make a list of stuff that you want to, 28:46.460 --> 28:48.460 uh, buy at some point. 28:48.460 --> 28:49.460 And, 28:49.460 --> 28:51.460 some tips and tricks on, 28:51.460 --> 28:53.460 what to subscribe to, 28:53.460 --> 28:55.460 and keep an eye out for when they're doing, 28:55.460 --> 28:56.460 uh, 28:56.460 --> 28:57.460 bundles, 28:57.460 --> 28:58.460 or when they're offering steam, 28:58.460 --> 29:00.460 is offering a, 29:00.460 --> 29:01.460 discount on, 29:01.460 --> 29:03.460 on some products. 29:03.460 --> 29:04.460 Mm-hmm. 29:04.460 --> 29:05.460 Nice good. 29:05.460 --> 29:06.460 Good. 29:06.460 --> 29:08.460 I hadn't realized there was so many, 29:08.460 --> 29:09.460 um, 29:09.460 --> 29:10.460 uh, 29:10.460 --> 29:11.460 cut price, 29:11.460 --> 29:12.460 games out there. 29:12.460 --> 29:13.460 So, 29:13.460 --> 29:14.460 yeah, 29:14.460 --> 29:15.460 something I want to get into, 29:15.460 --> 29:16.460 I don't know. 29:16.460 --> 29:17.460 And, 29:17.460 --> 29:18.460 the next day, 29:18.460 --> 29:19.460 we had a hookah, 29:19.460 --> 29:20.460 again, 29:20.460 --> 29:21.460 the reason for that, 29:21.460 --> 29:23.460 is because the previous shows were from their emergency queue, 29:23.460 --> 29:24.460 uh, 29:24.460 --> 29:26.460 just a little bit of background on that. 29:26.460 --> 29:27.460 Dave and I are, 29:27.460 --> 29:28.460 uh, 29:28.460 --> 29:29.460 with the way the internet archive is, 29:30.460 --> 29:31.460 um, 29:31.460 --> 29:33.460 we need to post the shows for the upcoming week, 29:33.460 --> 29:35.460 the week beforehand. 29:35.460 --> 29:36.460 So, 29:36.460 --> 29:37.460 um, 29:37.460 --> 29:39.460 the next five days need to be filled, 29:39.460 --> 29:41.460 slots need to be filled. 29:41.460 --> 29:42.460 And, 29:42.460 --> 29:46.460 I think we've got two submissions of shows this month, 29:46.460 --> 29:47.460 uh, 29:47.460 --> 29:49.460 and the rest were, 29:49.460 --> 29:50.460 um, 29:50.460 --> 29:52.460 filled from the emergency queue, 29:52.460 --> 29:56.460 which is down to six shows at the moment, 29:56.460 --> 29:58.460 and we still need to post shows, 29:58.460 --> 30:00.460 for slots that are missing next week. 30:00.460 --> 30:01.460 So, 30:01.460 --> 30:02.460 so, 30:02.460 --> 30:03.460 don't know what's going on, 30:03.460 --> 30:04.460 really, 30:04.460 --> 30:05.460 but there is, 30:05.460 --> 30:06.460 um, 30:06.460 --> 30:07.460 we're not getting the shows from people, 30:07.460 --> 30:08.460 um, 30:08.460 --> 30:10.460 we're getting shows from regular folks, 30:10.460 --> 30:11.460 and I'm sure I can, 30:11.460 --> 30:12.460 I can call, 30:12.460 --> 30:13.460 plateau, 30:13.460 --> 30:15.460 or I can call one, 30:15.460 --> 30:16.460 some guy in the internet, 30:16.460 --> 30:17.460 or after 72, 30:17.460 --> 30:18.460 or whoever, 30:18.460 --> 30:19.460 and say, 30:19.460 --> 30:21.460 guys can send us in some shows, 30:21.460 --> 30:22.460 but if you're listening to this, 30:22.460 --> 30:23.460 it's a, 30:23.460 --> 30:24.460 you're listening, 30:24.460 --> 30:26.460 pick up a recording and send us an show, 30:26.460 --> 30:27.460 and if you don't know what to record, 30:27.460 --> 30:28.460 uh, 30:28.460 --> 30:29.460 drop us an email here, 30:29.460 --> 30:30.460 uh, 30:30.460 --> 30:31.460 on hbr, 30:31.460 --> 30:32.460 um, 30:32.460 --> 30:34.460 admin hbr, 30:34.460 --> 30:35.460 hbr.org, 30:35.460 --> 30:37.460 and we'll talk to, 30:37.460 --> 30:38.460 and get, 30:38.460 --> 30:41.460 I have no problem coming up with a list of topics 30:41.460 --> 30:43.460 that would be of interest actors. 30:43.460 --> 30:44.460 Um, 30:44.460 --> 30:45.460 I'm kind of serious about this, 30:45.460 --> 30:46.460 because, 30:46.460 --> 30:47.460 I don't know how to get shows out of people, 30:47.460 --> 30:48.460 it's, 30:48.460 --> 30:49.460 uh, 30:49.460 --> 30:50.460 help. 30:50.460 --> 30:51.460 Yeah, 30:51.460 --> 30:52.460 sends us in some shows, 30:52.460 --> 30:53.460 thanks for being great. 30:53.460 --> 30:54.460 Yeah. 30:54.460 --> 30:55.460 Okay, 30:55.460 --> 30:56.460 anyway, 30:56.460 --> 30:57.460 I'm just playing Alfa Santuri, 30:57.460 --> 30:58.460 and, 30:58.460 --> 30:59.460 uh, 30:59.460 --> 31:00.460 uh, 31:00.460 --> 31:02.460 I hope you put these shows in some time in, 31:02.460 --> 31:04.460 in the, 31:04.460 --> 31:05.460 uh, 31:05.460 --> 31:06.460 you're putting about a year's shows, 31:06.460 --> 31:08.460 ahead of time. 31:08.460 --> 31:11.460 And so this one was a lovely summer day 31:11.460 --> 31:14.460 and I was sending the door of the shed 31:14.460 --> 31:16.460 while I was listening to it. 31:16.460 --> 31:17.460 So, 31:17.460 --> 31:18.460 there you go, 31:18.460 --> 31:19.460 happy memories. 31:19.460 --> 31:20.460 And, 31:20.460 --> 31:21.460 yeah, 31:21.460 --> 31:22.460 I don't play games that much, 31:22.460 --> 31:24.460 I think I've lost so much time playing, 31:25.460 --> 31:26.460 um, 31:26.460 --> 31:27.460 learnings as a youth, 31:27.460 --> 31:30.460 that I realized that would, 31:30.460 --> 31:32.460 would be a very dangerous thing to continue doing. 31:32.460 --> 31:33.460 So, 31:33.460 --> 31:34.460 I, 31:34.460 --> 31:36.460 but it's really nice to hear this, 31:36.460 --> 31:37.460 uh, 31:37.460 --> 31:38.460 you know, 31:38.460 --> 31:39.460 an explanation of games that I've heard of, 31:39.460 --> 31:41.460 or wasn't really into. 31:41.460 --> 31:42.460 Your thoughts, yeah. 31:42.460 --> 31:43.460 Yeah, yeah, I agree. 31:43.460 --> 31:44.460 I agree. 31:44.460 --> 31:45.460 It's, um, 31:45.460 --> 31:47.460 doesn't sound like a game I'd want to play, 31:47.460 --> 31:48.460 particularly, 31:48.460 --> 31:50.460 but listening to, 31:50.460 --> 31:51.460 the, 31:51.460 --> 31:53.460 the talks of games and stuff, 31:53.460 --> 31:55.460 makes me realize that, 31:55.460 --> 31:57.460 the times when I did play games, 31:57.460 --> 31:58.460 back in, 31:58.460 --> 31:59.460 uh, 31:59.460 --> 32:00.460 in 1980s, 32:00.460 --> 32:01.460 some BBC micro, 32:01.460 --> 32:02.460 mostly, 32:02.460 --> 32:03.460 um, 32:03.460 --> 32:04.460 it was quite fun. 32:04.460 --> 32:05.460 I'd quite like to get back, 32:05.460 --> 32:07.460 and to have a bit more, 32:07.460 --> 32:08.460 a force, 32:08.460 --> 32:09.460 myself, 32:09.460 --> 32:10.460 a bit more leisure time to, 32:10.460 --> 32:11.460 uh, 32:11.460 --> 32:12.460 to do that sort of stuff. 32:12.460 --> 32:13.460 So, yeah, 32:13.460 --> 32:14.460 it's, 32:14.460 --> 32:15.460 it's an interesting, 32:15.460 --> 32:16.460 um, 32:16.460 --> 32:17.460 message really that's, 32:17.460 --> 32:19.460 that's coming through this, 32:19.460 --> 32:20.460 for me anyway. 32:20.460 --> 32:21.460 So, yeah, 32:21.460 --> 32:22.460 enjoying. 32:22.460 --> 32:24.460 And the next show is, 32:24.460 --> 32:26.460 re re re re, 32:26.460 --> 32:27.460 how to make friends, 32:27.460 --> 32:28.460 where, 32:28.460 --> 32:29.460 um, 32:29.460 --> 32:30.460 some guy in the internet, 32:30.460 --> 32:31.460 and books, 32:31.460 --> 32:33.460 chats with other friends on the internet, 32:33.460 --> 32:35.460 and, 32:35.460 --> 32:36.460 Katie Murray says, 32:36.460 --> 32:37.460 great series, 32:37.460 --> 32:39.460 really enjoying the series, 32:39.460 --> 32:41.460 some guy in the internet. 32:41.460 --> 32:43.460 I appreciate that you've got, 32:43.460 --> 32:45.460 to come to the trouble together, 32:45.460 --> 32:46.460 people together, 32:46.460 --> 32:48.460 to try and expand the number of voices on this topic, 32:48.460 --> 32:50.460 and all the unsolarly things, 32:50.460 --> 32:51.460 as well, 32:51.460 --> 32:53.460 like the role of the internet, 32:53.460 --> 32:57.460 and how people think about their offline relationships. 32:57.460 --> 32:58.460 Yeah, 32:58.460 --> 32:59.460 it's, 32:59.460 --> 33:00.460 it's actually quite, 33:00.460 --> 33:01.460 uh, 33:01.460 --> 33:02.460 a deep, 33:02.460 --> 33:03.460 look at the, 33:03.460 --> 33:05.460 the whole subject, 33:05.460 --> 33:06.460 you know, 33:06.460 --> 33:07.460 it's, 33:07.460 --> 33:09.460 it's documentary level almost, 33:09.460 --> 33:10.460 you know, 33:10.460 --> 33:11.460 it's, 33:11.460 --> 33:12.460 there's some, 33:12.460 --> 33:15.460 interesting thoughts going around here, 33:15.460 --> 33:16.460 and experiences, 33:16.460 --> 33:17.460 and so forth. 33:17.460 --> 33:20.460 Made me re think things somewhat, 33:20.460 --> 33:21.460 excellent stuff. 33:21.460 --> 33:22.460 Very much so. 33:22.460 --> 33:23.460 I, 33:23.460 --> 33:24.460 uh, 33:24.460 --> 33:26.460 might not necessarily agree with everything, 33:26.460 --> 33:27.460 um, 33:27.460 --> 33:28.460 but then again, 33:28.460 --> 33:29.460 that's perspective from, 33:29.460 --> 33:30.460 uh, 33:30.460 --> 33:31.460 from the states, 33:31.460 --> 33:32.460 so, 33:32.460 --> 33:33.460 yeah, 33:33.460 --> 33:34.460 great. 33:34.460 --> 33:35.460 But, 33:35.460 --> 33:36.460 let me, 33:36.460 --> 33:37.460 let me have a little thinking, 33:37.460 --> 33:38.460 show notes are in the, 33:38.460 --> 33:39.460 uh, 33:39.460 --> 33:40.460 in the, 33:40.460 --> 33:41.460 uh, 33:41.460 --> 33:43.460 LinkedIn. 33:43.460 --> 33:46.460 Transcripts are linked in the show notes, 33:46.460 --> 33:48.460 which are available on the website. 33:48.460 --> 33:49.460 Okay. 33:49.460 --> 33:52.460 The next one was also from the reserve queue. 33:52.460 --> 33:53.460 We've had, 33:53.460 --> 33:54.460 as I said, 33:54.460 --> 33:55.460 a lot from the reserve queue, 33:55.460 --> 33:58.460 and this was creating an equalizer presets, 33:58.460 --> 34:00.460 for your episodes on HPR. 34:00.460 --> 34:01.460 And this, 34:01.460 --> 34:02.460 how have you? 34:02.460 --> 34:03.460 Have you jumped? 34:03.460 --> 34:04.460 Jumped in episode. 34:04.460 --> 34:05.460 Oh, 34:05.460 --> 34:06.460 372. 34:06.460 --> 34:07.460 You should be. 34:07.460 --> 34:08.460 I did it. 34:08.460 --> 34:09.460 Thunderbird, 34:09.460 --> 34:10.460 inbox filtering, 34:10.460 --> 34:13.460 keeping a clean and orderly inbox again, 34:13.460 --> 34:14.460 some guy in the internet. 34:14.460 --> 34:15.460 And again, 34:15.460 --> 34:17.460 posting is because of the reserve. 34:18.460 --> 34:21.460 Pulsing two shows from symbols to the end 10 days is not there, 34:21.460 --> 34:22.460 fault. 34:22.460 --> 34:24.460 It's me posting their reserve. 34:24.460 --> 34:26.460 Episodes into the queue. 34:28.460 --> 34:31.460 I understand you use Thunderbird for filtering, 34:31.460 --> 34:32.460 I don't. 34:32.460 --> 34:34.460 I do, yes, yes, yes. 34:34.460 --> 34:38.460 My view of email was set in the early 90s, 34:38.460 --> 34:39.460 I guess, 34:39.460 --> 34:43.460 when UK university suddenly switched over, 34:43.460 --> 34:46.460 to using internet protocols, 34:46.460 --> 34:49.460 IP and SMTP and all these other jolly things, 34:49.460 --> 34:51.460 from the UK university standard called coloured books, 34:51.460 --> 34:52.460 protocols. 34:52.460 --> 34:54.460 So I got into email at that point, 34:54.460 --> 34:56.460 finding it very strange, 34:56.460 --> 34:58.460 compared to what we had had before, 34:58.460 --> 35:01.460 but realized that it was much more powerful. 35:01.460 --> 35:04.460 Although it was wide open to a text, 35:04.460 --> 35:06.460 but it was wide open to a text, 35:06.460 --> 35:09.460 but it was wide open to a text, 35:09.460 --> 35:12.460 but it was wide open to a text, 35:12.460 --> 35:15.460 much more so than what we'd come from. 35:15.460 --> 35:19.460 That was my first really experience of running an email, 35:19.460 --> 35:23.460 server was to have it absolutely knocked to the ground 35:23.460 --> 35:26.460 and stamped on by people who were, 35:26.460 --> 35:31.460 they're looking for things that could be wrecked on the internet. 35:31.460 --> 35:33.460 But yeah, 35:33.460 --> 35:38.460 the whole business of having email arriving 35:38.460 --> 35:41.460 on your desktop machine or whatever, 35:41.460 --> 35:44.460 was something that fascinated me, 35:44.460 --> 35:47.460 but the volume of it, 35:47.460 --> 35:50.460 because I signed up for mailing lists to quite a large extent, 35:50.460 --> 35:54.460 and it was quite a lot of information to be got on mailing lists 35:54.460 --> 35:58.460 in those days in the technical end of things, 35:58.460 --> 36:03.460 meant that filtering was absolutely vital. 36:03.460 --> 36:06.460 Now, why could you have gigabytes of stuff 36:06.460 --> 36:10.460 or all in one folder they had to be in sensible places? 36:10.460 --> 36:16.460 And you needed to do something about getting rid of stuff 36:16.460 --> 36:19.460 which got beyond certain age and all that sort of thing. 36:19.460 --> 36:23.460 So I ended up writing pollscripts to do that for the mail 36:23.460 --> 36:25.460 that I was running in those days. 36:25.460 --> 36:27.460 So yeah, 36:27.460 --> 36:30.460 so I've come from that time thinking, 36:30.460 --> 36:33.460 nothing, you should have nothing in your inbox, 36:33.460 --> 36:35.460 a very, very little, 36:35.460 --> 36:37.460 and everything should have been filed away 36:37.460 --> 36:39.460 into sensible places, 36:39.460 --> 36:41.460 just like you'd get this a paper 36:41.460 --> 36:45.460 and stick them in filing cabinet draws in folders or something. 36:45.460 --> 36:47.460 And, you know, 36:47.460 --> 36:50.460 so that's the way to go, 36:50.460 --> 36:53.460 and also there should be some sort of clean out mechanism. 36:53.460 --> 36:56.460 And it sounds to me like Scott, 36:56.460 --> 36:59.460 he has pretty much the same viewpoint on this, 36:59.460 --> 37:02.460 such as which is amazing and really heartening. 37:03.460 --> 37:05.460 Yep, I do keep it empty, 37:05.460 --> 37:07.460 but yeah. 37:07.460 --> 37:09.460 It's either spam, 37:09.460 --> 37:12.460 gets totally delicious or it gets filed away. 37:12.460 --> 37:14.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 37:14.460 --> 37:17.460 I wish Thunderbird's filters were more sophisticated, 37:17.460 --> 37:22.460 but you have to do things like filter everything 37:22.460 --> 37:25.460 that fits certain category into somewhere 37:25.460 --> 37:29.460 and then do another filter on that 37:29.460 --> 37:31.460 to do to separate out. 37:31.460 --> 37:36.460 So of course you can't do an awe or a Boolean type 37:36.460 --> 37:39.460 of Boolean logical expression to say 37:39.460 --> 37:41.460 that if this message just got bad, 37:41.460 --> 37:43.460 but not this and such and such, 37:43.460 --> 37:45.460 do a certain thing that 37:45.460 --> 37:48.460 which I was able to do with the system ahead before. 37:48.460 --> 37:50.460 So I miss that, 37:50.460 --> 37:52.460 but even so it's pretty, 37:52.460 --> 37:53.460 pretty good. 37:53.460 --> 37:55.460 You can do some pretty intensive, 37:55.460 --> 37:57.460 intelligent and clever, 37:57.460 --> 38:02.460 there's add-ons that have been able to do other things 38:02.460 --> 38:04.460 with messages as well, 38:04.460 --> 38:05.460 which is very cool. 38:05.460 --> 38:07.460 You'll probably need to send in 38:07.460 --> 38:10.460 some more episodes before I am totally convinced 38:10.460 --> 38:16.460 because they search within the search within Thunderbird's Terrible. 38:16.460 --> 38:18.460 And then when you, yeah, 38:18.460 --> 38:21.460 I'll do an episode enough, maybe sometime. 38:21.460 --> 38:22.460 Awesome. 38:22.460 --> 38:24.460 Anyway, creating and equalizing, 38:25.460 --> 38:27.460 pretty sets for your episodes in HPore. 38:27.460 --> 38:32.460 Again, a reserve show from D&T. 38:32.460 --> 38:35.460 And basically if you record the premises, 38:35.460 --> 38:40.460 if you record your show in the same place, 38:40.460 --> 38:43.460 using the same setup the whole time, 38:43.460 --> 38:45.460 then you can use presets, 38:45.460 --> 38:48.460 which are technical. 38:48.460 --> 38:50.460 So I learned a lot. 38:50.460 --> 38:51.460 Yeah, yeah, 38:51.460 --> 38:56.460 it was nicely explained and demonstrated in the notes. 38:56.460 --> 38:58.460 That was very useful. 38:58.460 --> 39:00.460 I have tinkered with this, 39:00.460 --> 39:03.460 but I haven't taken it to quite the level that he has. 39:03.460 --> 39:06.460 So there's things to learn here for sure. 39:06.460 --> 39:08.460 So the next one was the second part, 39:08.460 --> 39:11.460 again from the reserve queue. 39:11.460 --> 39:13.460 USB imageer from the retail. 39:13.460 --> 39:17.460 And this time we go into actually setting it up 39:17.460 --> 39:20.460 and rolling it so, kind of cool. 39:20.460 --> 39:23.460 Yeah, yeah, I've tried this useful. 39:23.460 --> 39:26.460 And as I said, I've got it installed 39:26.460 --> 39:29.460 and waiting to use it when I count. 39:29.460 --> 39:34.460 But it was, I didn't have a problem with the access 39:34.460 --> 39:37.460 to stuff that he talked about, 39:37.460 --> 39:40.460 but maybe it's because I've hacked this machine 39:40.460 --> 39:43.460 so much that it gives me access to things, but it falls. 39:43.460 --> 39:44.460 Yeah, true enough. 39:44.460 --> 39:47.460 There are a few groups that I'm by default in. 39:48.460 --> 39:51.460 Yeah, if I had a machine long enough, 39:51.460 --> 39:53.460 then this is 10 years old, this one is. 39:53.460 --> 39:58.460 So yeah, it's going to be such a shock 39:58.460 --> 40:03.460 when I install a brand new deb in on my next machine. 40:03.460 --> 40:05.460 So why doesn't this work? 40:05.460 --> 40:07.460 Because you haven't hacked it yet. 40:07.460 --> 40:10.460 Exactly, exactly. 40:10.460 --> 40:13.460 The next day we had, 40:13.460 --> 40:18.460 okay, with Mesa, very, this was where 40:18.460 --> 40:21.460 they were on the way up to Colorado 40:21.460 --> 40:25.460 and they stopped in at the original 40:25.460 --> 40:30.460 have it at the site of the Pebbleian people. 40:30.460 --> 40:32.460 At least that's what the Spanish called them. 40:32.460 --> 40:36.460 I think everybody's seen the pictures 40:36.460 --> 40:40.460 of a cliff with houses on it. 40:40.460 --> 40:43.460 So they thought it was a fascinating, 40:43.460 --> 40:45.460 I found this one, excellent. 40:45.460 --> 40:49.460 Yeah, I haven't looked at who his pictures yet, 40:49.460 --> 40:53.460 just a bit remiss of me because they're going to be amazing. 40:53.460 --> 40:55.460 But yeah, I do know the area, 40:55.460 --> 41:00.460 quite blue and people of the names 41:00.460 --> 41:03.460 and Mesa birthday, 41:03.460 --> 41:08.460 which are not sure what the green aspect is for anyway. 41:08.460 --> 41:11.460 But it's, yeah, it sounds like an amazing place. 41:11.460 --> 41:13.460 I would love to go there myself, 41:13.460 --> 41:16.460 some point, but it's very interesting to hear 41:16.460 --> 41:20.460 who could's telling up the title of the visit. 41:20.460 --> 41:23.460 It tends to be very practical as all about 41:23.460 --> 41:26.460 what you can't do, 41:26.460 --> 41:29.460 you know. 41:29.460 --> 41:32.460 Very, what accessibility is like 41:32.460 --> 41:36.460 and choices they made to stay longer or not, 41:36.460 --> 41:37.460 etc. 41:37.460 --> 41:38.460 Which is always good. 41:38.460 --> 41:39.460 Yeah, yeah. 41:39.460 --> 41:41.460 I like that very much. 41:41.460 --> 41:45.460 It's the sort of level of detail of the fascinating. 41:45.460 --> 41:49.460 So I keep Murray sent us in one of the few shows this month 41:49.460 --> 41:51.460 and it was the evolutions 41:51.460 --> 41:53.460 of the windows snipping to, 41:53.460 --> 41:56.460 so we don't have that much windows 41:56.460 --> 41:58.460 tooling stuff here. 41:58.460 --> 42:00.460 And it was actually quite good 42:00.460 --> 42:03.460 because I needed to take some screenshots 42:03.460 --> 42:05.460 for work. 42:05.460 --> 42:08.460 And this was a useful 42:08.460 --> 42:11.460 straight-in episode that I could use, 42:11.460 --> 42:14.460 but also it was great to see the history associated with it, 42:14.460 --> 42:16.460 which was nice. 42:16.460 --> 42:19.460 Yes, this historical aspect of it was very interesting, 42:19.460 --> 42:20.460 I found it. 42:20.460 --> 42:21.460 I had no idea. 42:21.460 --> 42:24.460 I've not really used windows enough 42:24.460 --> 42:27.460 to appreciate all the nuances. 42:27.460 --> 42:30.460 But yeah, it's good. 42:30.460 --> 42:32.460 Yeah, we could do it more or that type of thing, 42:32.460 --> 42:33.460 everything. 42:33.460 --> 42:35.460 The historical roots of things 42:35.460 --> 42:37.460 is always fascinating. 42:37.460 --> 42:40.460 And then I believe the last sort of the last show of the month 42:40.460 --> 42:44.460 was Creative Commons Search Engine by Huka, 42:44.460 --> 42:46.460 at openverse.org. 42:46.460 --> 42:49.460 And that calls the boat to be open 42:49.460 --> 42:51.460 on our website, Steve, 42:51.460 --> 42:54.460 because we need to make sure that our content 42:54.460 --> 42:57.460 gets in there somehow, so I open to tickets 42:57.460 --> 42:59.460 to make sure that that happens. 43:00.460 --> 43:02.460 I didn't see it, I'm afraid. 43:02.460 --> 43:05.460 I don't get notified with things. 43:05.460 --> 43:06.460 It's good. 43:06.460 --> 43:07.460 No, it's not. 43:07.460 --> 43:10.460 Probably not. 43:10.460 --> 43:12.460 Yeah. 43:12.460 --> 43:14.460 Yeah, I had a look at it. 43:14.460 --> 43:15.460 It's quite interesting. 43:15.460 --> 43:17.460 I tried a few search terms 43:17.460 --> 43:20.460 and got some fun pictures. 43:22.460 --> 43:26.460 Presumably, it's got a way to go to get 43:26.460 --> 43:28.460 more fully populated. 43:28.460 --> 43:31.460 Seems to be a little bit sparse, and the areas I looked 43:31.460 --> 43:34.460 were probably because I looked at dark things, but anyway. 43:34.460 --> 43:38.460 I was very disappointed that I hadn't found out 43:38.460 --> 43:42.460 about this one area, because I was looking for a search engine 43:42.460 --> 43:46.460 for Creative Commons images last two weeks before 43:46.460 --> 43:51.460 for the upcoming show, which I still need to do. 43:51.460 --> 43:55.460 Yeah, it's going to be a good resource, 43:55.460 --> 43:57.460 I'm sure for all manner of things. 43:57.460 --> 44:01.460 I should certainly go and look there again. 44:01.460 --> 44:04.460 Okay, so that was that for the show's div. 44:04.460 --> 44:07.460 Other commons from previous episodes. 44:07.460 --> 44:13.460 Should we do two commons and operators on the interview with 44:13.460 --> 44:19.460 yourself, Kersner, and D&T says, 44:19.460 --> 44:21.460 this is a great interview. 44:21.460 --> 44:23.460 Thank you for this. 44:23.460 --> 44:25.460 It was a great lesson. 44:25.460 --> 44:29.460 I used a brief cure key for use number. 44:29.460 --> 44:31.460 Kephyr used to breathe. 44:31.460 --> 44:33.460 Kephyr used to breathe. 44:33.460 --> 44:35.460 Thank you for my. 44:35.460 --> 44:37.460 I would love to start doing so again. 44:37.460 --> 44:41.460 As one of my former jobs, there were a few people 44:41.460 --> 44:43.460 who made a cure. 44:43.460 --> 44:48.460 So we would get each other fresh grains all the time, 44:48.460 --> 44:51.460 but without a local group, it can be hard. 44:52.460 --> 44:53.460 That's very cool, actually. 44:53.460 --> 44:55.460 Never thought of making Kephyr. 44:55.460 --> 44:57.460 I do by occasionally. 44:57.460 --> 45:00.460 It's good for gut health and stuff. 45:00.460 --> 45:02.460 Anyway, next comment was, 45:02.460 --> 45:03.460 when to go. 45:03.460 --> 45:05.460 Great conversation, he says. 45:05.460 --> 45:07.460 I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. 45:07.460 --> 45:10.460 The comedian you discussed is Hannah Gadspie. 45:10.460 --> 45:13.460 She's an autistic Australian comedian, 45:13.460 --> 45:16.460 and her stories about misreading social situations 45:16.460 --> 45:20.460 are one of my favorite bits of her comedy specials. 45:20.460 --> 45:23.460 As for Rachel's views on climate change, 45:23.460 --> 45:27.460 the global scientific consensus seems to disagree with you. 45:27.460 --> 45:30.460 They may not check up for extra green, 45:30.460 --> 45:32.460 and how heavy CO2 is, 45:32.460 --> 45:36.460 though you might want to give the scientists the heads up 45:36.460 --> 45:39.460 before they waste any more time. 45:39.460 --> 45:41.460 And then we had archive, 45:41.460 --> 45:45.460 a comment on Steve Sanders show archiving floppy disks 45:45.460 --> 45:48.460 and Brian and Ohio get some feedback. 45:49.460 --> 45:53.460 Really liked the show entertaining and informative. 45:53.460 --> 45:57.460 That's what we like from our show, Steve. 45:57.460 --> 46:02.460 Then we have the large language models 46:02.460 --> 46:05.460 and I don't have any common sense show 46:05.460 --> 46:09.460 by Hobbes, a commented on by Mr. Young. 46:09.460 --> 46:12.460 LLMs are great if you use them right. 46:12.460 --> 46:14.460 Great show, he says. 46:14.460 --> 46:17.460 I've been using LLMs for worklist lately. 46:18.460 --> 46:21.460 They're great at certain activities as long as you don't expect them 46:21.460 --> 46:24.460 to act like humans with common sense. 46:24.460 --> 46:28.460 There are certain NLP tasks like document Q&A 46:28.460 --> 46:31.460 that were near impossible before LLMs. 46:31.460 --> 46:33.460 A few lines of code now. 46:33.460 --> 46:37.460 Relay person interacting with bar chat, GPT etc. 46:37.460 --> 46:40.460 I recommend following sites for understanding 46:40.460 --> 46:43.460 how to ask LLMs, good prompts, 46:43.460 --> 46:46.460 and he gives a couple of fur. 46:46.460 --> 46:48.460 He gives three websites. 46:48.460 --> 46:50.460 Yeah, quite cool. 46:50.460 --> 46:54.460 Not looked at the most self, but they definitely should. 46:54.460 --> 46:57.460 Let's see, four comments on this much show, 46:57.460 --> 47:00.460 anything on the mail list, let me check. 47:00.460 --> 47:04.460 Community news and I thought those are called for shows. 47:04.460 --> 47:06.460 Did that not go out? 47:06.460 --> 47:10.460 I saw you sending, you sent stuff to the admin list. 47:10.460 --> 47:11.460 I think did you? 47:11.460 --> 47:12.460 Oh, that's good. 47:12.460 --> 47:13.460 Did I get confused? 47:13.460 --> 47:14.460 Yeah. 47:14.460 --> 47:16.460 Well, I take it back. 47:16.460 --> 47:20.460 I didn't know what you said to know anything when I did a call 47:20.460 --> 47:22.460 because you were a moron. 47:22.460 --> 47:24.460 Yeah. 47:24.460 --> 47:26.460 I noted, oh, that's odd. 47:26.460 --> 47:28.460 Who? 47:28.460 --> 47:30.460 I completely forgot. 47:30.460 --> 47:31.460 I never thought that. 47:31.460 --> 47:32.460 I can. 47:32.460 --> 47:33.460 I don't know. 47:33.460 --> 47:35.460 I don't know, Dave. 47:35.460 --> 47:36.460 I don't know. 47:36.460 --> 47:41.460 It's been a bad month for doing the wrong thing. 47:42.460 --> 47:43.460 So. 47:43.460 --> 47:44.460 Any other questions? 47:44.460 --> 47:45.460 This is a call for you. 47:47.460 --> 47:48.460 Yes. 47:48.460 --> 47:49.460 Yes. 47:49.460 --> 47:52.460 So we just send one of those to the HBR lists. 47:52.460 --> 47:53.460 Yes. 47:53.460 --> 47:54.460 Yes. 47:54.460 --> 47:56.460 Any other business? 47:56.460 --> 47:58.460 I just got two things here. 47:58.460 --> 48:03.460 One was that there's been some work done on the site. 48:03.460 --> 48:05.460 The static site. 48:05.460 --> 48:07.460 I keep calling it site migration. 48:07.460 --> 48:09.460 But it's migrated already. 48:10.460 --> 48:14.460 And the code that computes the number of days to the next free slot 48:14.460 --> 48:17.460 is finally resolved. 48:17.460 --> 48:19.460 So really ridiculous. 48:19.460 --> 48:20.460 Tell us the facts. 48:20.460 --> 48:21.460 I know. 48:21.460 --> 48:22.460 I know. 48:22.460 --> 48:23.460 I blame myself, really. 48:23.460 --> 48:30.460 Because Ron had written it using a sequel query. 48:30.460 --> 48:31.460 So sequel queries. 48:31.460 --> 48:35.460 But there was a very logical at the time. 48:35.460 --> 48:36.460 Yeah. 48:36.460 --> 48:37.460 Yeah. 48:37.460 --> 48:41.460 It's a small flaw in that if you were. 48:41.460 --> 48:43.460 If the last show was on a Friday. 48:43.460 --> 48:46.460 The next free slot was on a Monday. 48:46.460 --> 48:50.460 It failed to add the two days necessary for the weekend. 48:50.460 --> 48:52.460 So I thought, oh, I can solve that. 48:52.460 --> 48:53.460 So I rewrote. 48:53.460 --> 48:55.460 So hack the query. 48:55.460 --> 48:56.460 And. 48:56.460 --> 49:00.460 So I rewrote the query. 49:00.460 --> 49:01.460 And it still didn't work. 49:01.460 --> 49:03.460 So I said, oh, bugger it. 49:04.460 --> 49:05.460 What's that effect? 49:05.460 --> 49:13.460 And wrote it in the the templating language, which is much simpler and more understandable. 49:13.460 --> 49:16.460 And as far as I'm aware, works every time. 49:16.460 --> 49:20.460 So yeah, I think there's a moral there. 49:20.460 --> 49:24.460 Doing database array, which is amazingly powerful and wonderful. 49:24.460 --> 49:28.460 But doing simple computations like saying, here's a date. 49:28.460 --> 49:29.460 And there's a date. 49:29.460 --> 49:30.460 How many days in between? 49:30.460 --> 49:32.460 Which is to some extent what we're doing. 49:33.460 --> 49:35.460 As is it. 49:35.460 --> 49:40.460 You should try and find an easier way than exactly hugely complicated queries. 49:40.460 --> 49:43.460 So so yeah, the message to me anyway. 49:43.460 --> 49:44.460 It's the same. 49:44.460 --> 49:46.460 Don't do that again. 49:46.460 --> 49:48.460 And then there was a. 49:48.460 --> 49:50.460 I'm point about the internet archive. 49:50.460 --> 49:51.460 I got. 49:51.460 --> 49:54.460 I do make occasional contributions. 49:54.460 --> 49:57.460 Of of donations to the internet archives. 49:57.460 --> 49:58.460 So I'm on their list. 49:58.460 --> 50:00.460 And I got a message from them saying, 50:01.460 --> 50:02.460 There's a current here. 50:02.460 --> 50:08.460 There's kind of current a gift matching campaign, which can double the impact of your donations. 50:08.460 --> 50:09.460 So it. 50:09.460 --> 50:11.460 There's a link there. 50:11.460 --> 50:13.460 If you would like to go and do that. 50:13.460 --> 50:20.460 And we also put something up on the home page, the index page on the on the site as well. 50:20.460 --> 50:23.460 So yeah, the internet archive. 50:23.460 --> 50:25.460 We use a lot. 50:25.460 --> 50:26.460 They host a lot. 50:26.460 --> 50:27.460 They should be our content. 50:27.460 --> 50:30.460 So no, if you could feel that you could contribute to it. 50:30.460 --> 50:34.460 I think it would be a very very good thing. 50:34.460 --> 50:35.460 Absolutely. 50:35.460 --> 50:38.460 And if you're looking for fast and reliable hosting. 50:38.460 --> 50:40.460 Can I recommend an on the source.com. 50:40.460 --> 50:43.460 We'll also provide a lot of service. 50:43.460 --> 50:44.460 I can probably read you. 50:44.460 --> 50:45.460 Indeed. 50:45.460 --> 50:46.460 Indeed. 50:46.460 --> 50:50.460 So Dave, I'm going to be over to Edinburgh. 50:50.460 --> 50:52.460 And next month. 50:52.460 --> 50:55.460 So if anybody's around. 50:56.460 --> 50:57.460 We're having. 50:57.460 --> 50:58.460 We're going to go out or something. 50:58.460 --> 50:59.460 Are we. 50:59.460 --> 51:00.460 Yeah. 51:00.460 --> 51:02.460 Don't know if I officially told you this, yes. 51:02.460 --> 51:04.460 By the way, I'm coming to Scotland. 51:04.460 --> 51:06.460 It's not next month anymore. 51:06.460 --> 51:07.460 This is November. 51:07.460 --> 51:08.460 Oh, it's this one. 51:08.460 --> 51:09.460 Oh, my. 51:09.460 --> 51:10.460 It says you to book. 51:10.460 --> 51:11.460 Stop. 51:11.460 --> 51:12.460 Yeah. 51:12.460 --> 51:13.460 Yeah. 51:13.460 --> 51:16.460 So yes, indeed, we all need to book stuff. 51:16.460 --> 51:19.460 If we're going to try and meet up in a place that needs booking. 51:19.460 --> 51:22.460 But yeah, we need to talk about this offline. 51:22.460 --> 51:23.460 Yeah. 51:23.460 --> 51:24.460 Yeah. 51:24.460 --> 51:26.460 Do we even know the day? 51:26.460 --> 51:29.460 We don't know the show. 51:29.460 --> 51:33.460 How are we going to organize who's going to meet and when and. 51:33.460 --> 51:34.460 And where. 51:34.460 --> 51:35.460 And study it. 51:35.460 --> 51:37.460 So I will send a message on the mail list. 51:37.460 --> 51:39.460 The right one this time. 51:39.460 --> 51:43.460 And then anybody who's around can. 51:43.460 --> 51:49.460 Or actually best tell us before and then we can book a restaurant for that number of people. 51:49.460 --> 51:50.460 Yeah. 51:51.460 --> 51:52.460 Okay. 51:52.460 --> 51:53.460 Cool. 51:53.460 --> 51:54.460 Anything else, Dave? 51:54.460 --> 51:56.460 What can we call this? 51:56.460 --> 51:57.460 Yep. 51:57.460 --> 51:58.460 I think we're done. 51:58.460 --> 51:59.460 All right. 51:59.460 --> 52:03.460 Jen and tomorrow for another exciting episode of Hacker. 52:03.460 --> 52:04.460 Public. 52:04.460 --> 52:07.460 Radio. 52:11.460 --> 52:15.460 You have been listening to Hacker Public Radio at Hacker Public Radio. 52:15.460 --> 52:19.460 Today's show was contributed by a HPR this night like yourself. 52:19.460 --> 52:23.460 If you ever thought of recording podcast, click on our. 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